Talk:ENGL 350: Property

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I hope you don't mind but I added some formating to your page that I thought might be helpful. If you don't like it, feel free to get rid of it. --Steve

Why not start bolding each mention of your keyword? It'll make scanning your definition easier.--Steve

I added the first entry for this page. I looked at the Oxford English Dictionary and summarized some of the more general meanings. ~Freddie Miller

I added a few definitions that I thought fit the bill. Good first entry!- Chelsea Braun

This looks like a really strong start. I'm not generally going to comment on students' pages while they're in process, but since you're one of the first groups that's going to present, here's a hint: Start examining how the various texts we're reading use the word "property." Franklin uses the word nearly as often as he uses "public." How's does he use it? When does he use it? What different ways does he use it? Likewise, he often uses "property" and "public" together in a "cluster." Likewise, Wheatley is very concerned with "property," for reasons that will become clear when you read her poetry. --Steve

Hey guys, did a little aesthetic editing, and corrected some minor quotation issues. I think it makes it a little easier to narrow down our main points. Also added some Franklin content to the Social section. ~Marian

Added info on Intellectual Property, and expanded on my earlier Franklin reference. ~Marian

I added a comment about Benjamin Franklin and Property tax. ~Elizabeth

I added a comment about Benjamin Franklin wanting to marry Miss Read, and why he didn't right away. ~Elizabeth

After our group got together this afternoon, I decided to add a little to my previous posting to make it more clear and give an example to more clearly state what I mean. I hope someone adds some of our discussion on "proprietor", etc. ;-)~ Chelsea

I added a Related Words and Connotations. I put some stuff about propriety in there, but I will have to add more a little later about the specific connotations. Also, let me know if I missed something crucial or totally missed the mark on something else. ~Freddie

I clarified the first definition so now it's more specific and easy to understand. I also added more to the connotation section about proprietary and an example from Franklin. I also bolded the words here in the discussion page. ~Freddie

I added the Wikipedia entry on property in the classical definitions section. ~Freddie

I added an entry on slavery as property. I'm at home this weekend because of a Dr.'s appointment and I don't have my Keywords book with me. When I get back to school, I will add the page number references to my post. ~ Chelsea

I added two examples of modern "slavery" in reference to ownership and elaborating on the above definition of "slavery". ~ Chelsea

I added an example of how Jefferson implies the definition of property without actually using it. I'm not really sure where it should go, though, so if any of you think it belongs in a different place, feel free to move it around--it's in the classical definitions section. ~Freddie

I added a comment about Jefferson's notice of the land surrounding him. ~Elizabeth

I also added a comment about how Jefferson took note of all the animal's in Virginia. ~Elizabeth

I added an example from Jefferson about how "person and property" are related and how that relates to slaves. ~Freddie

I added a comment about Jefferson and how in order to vote you have to have land--he states how much and and what the people are voting for. I put it in at the beginning of the social implications section, it might fit better somewhere else, though. ~Freddie

I added an example of the use of properties as physical attributes used in everyday life. Your computer!- Chelsea

Freddie, I added to what you said above about Jefferson not using the word property very much, but implying it instead. I added a more general thought that has been going around in my head this week, but I didn't change the placement of your post.- Chelsea

I mentioned near the end of our site that the term property is closely related and often used in clusters with the terms boundary and border. I noticed the group that presented the word "Border" last Wednesday in class mentioned property at least once.- Chelsea

I added an example from Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte that shows how a child can be deemed property by "its" parent. ~Freddie

I also just bolded the uses of property that weren't emphasized. ~Freddie

I added a comment about owning land. ~Elizabeth

I also added a comment about owning slaves. ~Elizabeth

I thought that term intellectual property and a definition ought to be added to the clusters section of our website.- Chelsea

As an afterthought, I went back to the above-mentioned entry on intellectual property and elaborated on an idea around it about Thomas Jefferson and the accusations he faced saying that his writing was fake.- Chelsea

I added a comment about how the word properties usually does not refer to possessions in a modern context. ~Freddie

I made labels for Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Keywords. ~Elizabeth

I also made a label for other references as a way to try and start organizing the site. ~Elizabeth

I just moved everything around. Hopefully it makes sense. Let's try not to stick random examples from the text in if we have things to define that use of the word already. I made a separate category for those unexplained examples, but I think we should seriously consider cutting them out. ~Freddie

I did some more mini-editing. I also added a few links in. We should do more of those, I think--it'll make our site more interesting and less essay-like. Also, I added some comments about marriage in a couple different sections. I think this is an interesting topic and I've got some examples from Wuthering Heights that I can add soon too. We should definitely try to expand on the marriage thing--it seems particularly relevant when we read Charlotte Temple. ~Freddie

One other thing. This is actually getting fun! It's kind of exciting to run a whole site and get to move things and reorganize them into nice categories. Very cool. I am definitely getting into it. Now that our pages make a little more sense structurally, it'll be a lot easier to add things and change/condense things. ~Freddie

Awesome :-) It looks really good Freddie, it really does. I added a bit to the cluster words with "public". In the postmodern novel The Infernal Desire Machines of Dr. Hoffman, the author says that language is public property which I think is an interesting notion. ~ Chelsea

I also elaborated on one of our early definitions of the modern usage of property. I wanted to read over the early work that we haven't touched in awhile, and I felt that some needed a little more explanantion or a few examples. ~ Chelsea

I added a comment about the word "proper" and its relation to property. I think i used bad grammar but I will make it make more sense when I understand what I am trying to say. I haven't completely organized my thought yet--but I wanted to get it down before I forgot about it. ~Freddie

I added a comment about sentiment within my comment about proper. ~Freddie

I did a little research on the history of property and added a comment about the origins of the term hot property- Chelsea

Under the "Related Words" category, I added the early definition of the word proprietor and the modern definition of proprietor.- Chelsea

I added a comment about how Charlotte tried to tell Montraville that she couldn't go with him. ~Elizabeth

I added another comment about Montraville falling in love with Julia Franklin and her money. ~Elizabeth

I added a comment about how Mr. Temple's father did not want him to marry Lucy. ~Elizabeth

I added another comment about how Mr. Temple came up with a financial plan for him and Lucy. ~Elizabeth

Hey Elizabeth--do you think when you add stuff you could try to keep the organization the same? Also, when you add examples, it will be more helpful if you find nuances of the word and add the examples from the text in the appropriate section with a nice explanation. I think if we can, we should try to get rid of some of the stuff in the bottom section because I think it might be a little useless ot redundant or something. So yeah--try to make the textual examples fit in with definitions or connotations we already have (or make a new one!) ~Freddie

I added a comment about morality in terms of proper. I also came across an interesting cluster with religious that I will expand on. I am also going to add a link in about two seconds. ~Freddie

I added a new cluster with naturalization. If it turns out to not be an actual cluster, we can probably move it up to the social implications section. I think it should probably move. Feel free and do whatever you think works. ~Freddie

Also, I really think we need to do some condensing. Did you guys notice how very very long our page is? ~Freddie

I thought I would elaborate on our cluster word marriage since we had some discussions about marriage in class and how it relates to other keywords.- Chelsea

Hey ladies, I wanted to add a piece from Hobomok. On page 13, Childs writes about King James' laws that govern the colonies. I saw this as a cluster between property and colonial. I would have added it onto our colonial page, but since we don't get that back for another week or so, I decided to add it here instead :-)- Chelsea

I added an example of intellectual property from the Robert Adams Narrative. I haven't found a specific quote yet, but I am sure one exists that will suit the purpose. ~Freddie

Ok girlies. I am really really tempted to just delete the whole last section of our page. I really don't like it. I think we should move some of the examples into an appropriate explanation above or just get rid of it. So no more adding to that section, OK? ~Freddie ~Dealio, Freddie! I agree, it doesn't seem like the last section is very useful.- Chelsea

I also just expanded a little bit on the naturalization comment. ~Freddie

I expanded on the cluster Property and Marriage with an excerpt from Hobomok. I'm going to try and elaborate on that...- Chelsea

I've been thinking about property in terms of the colonies being created in the time of Hobomok. The colonists seemed to think they had the right to the property in this new land because they were Christians...it's a work in progress, I guess, just something that has been in my mind this week.- Chelsea (I also did a little editing)

I added a comment about Charlotte not owning any property. ~Elizabeth

I added another comment about Charlotte's reaction to having to pay rent. ~Elizabeth

I added a a new section at the top with our list of definitions. I'm not sure if it is clear, though. Fell free and add more/reword or move things. ~Freddie

I moved some of the textual examples around and deleted one. I guess I really do not like this section. Let's integrate it, OK? Also, I added a thing about real estate in the beginning section with some examples from the bottom of the page. ~Freddie

I think the organizing went quite well. I'm integrating some of the quotes from the bottom of our page in the section that we decided we didn't like into the rest of the text. I moved an example from Franklin so far. I'm going back to do more.- Chelsea

I removed the rest of the Franklin section and incorporated the examples into the text. I put all of the Franklin examples under the "Property as Social Status" section. If you guys don't feel like it fits there, feel free to move it.- Chelsea

I got rid of the last section! I am quite content right now. ~Freddie

I did a little cleaning up and expanded on a comment about The Narrative. ~Freddie

I added 4 last comments from Robert Adams for weeks 9-10. ~Elizabeth